One of two Christmas gifts for the friends of Gwaith-i-Phethdain is Sindarin translation of a fragment of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth or ‘The Debate of. That is not the voice that the Wise hear out of the darkness and from beyond it. Nay, lord, the Wise among Men say: “We were not made. It takes the form of a conversation between Finrod and a human wisewoman named Andreth, who talk about the relationship between elves.

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She knew that, for their brief lives, Men have been called ‘guests’ by the Eldar, she explained that Men called the Eldar “Grown-up finrd because they saw the world with unwearied eyes.

Or the one that favoured Abel and hence made sure that a big part of the worlds population consists of Cain’s descendants as can be seen in the daily news?

Ruru Ghoshal July 15, at Become a Redditor and subscribe to one of thousands of communities. She said it was unspoken of.

He would have stayed at thy side to uphold thee. We’re currently self text posts only to prevent spam and encourage discussion and conversation. Of this idea, she had many questions, and then mentioned the Old Hope of Men. This would leave the Three Ages of his imprisonment as well as the years of the sun to account for such ancient lore among men. Do you already have an account? Finrod replied that he believed it was their nature, the Ifnrod may have made them weary of things more swiftly, but the unrest was always there.


Christianity teaches clearly that death is an unnatural thing, imposed upon men because of the fall of Adam. What is our nature?

Athrabeth Finrod Ah Andreth.

Sole masters of yourselves within Arda, under the hand of the One. What may be was little comfort for the time firnod were in. Christopher Tolkien had to select among several versions of each story in order to forge a coherent narrative.

I would qthrabeth have hobbled as a hag after his bright feet, when I could no longer run beside him. But it could be possible that not every was as long lived as the direct line from Adam to Noah. Finrod countered to explain that he indeed did know death and its fear ay his own grandfather was murdered by the Enemy, many had been lost in the journey to the Hither Landsand many others died horribly in the war against the Enemy.

And perhaps Cain’s line had the shortest lifespans in the Pre-Flood world, maybe all the Humans who figured Prominently in the Silmarilion would have been from Cain, both the Edain and the ones following the Enemy.

Fragment of Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth

The one that chose Abram and his family with their chronical endogamous habits? Is it not Amdir rather; but without reason: Some of Tolkien’s notes also said that Aghrabeth refused to leave the Halls of Mandos even when he’d already paid his dues and it was time for his reincarnation because he didn’t want to aj back to a world without Andreth in it the souls of Men going god-knows-where.


Athrabet is the last foundation of Estel, which we keep even when we contemplate the End: Andreth questioned him about this because she believed that he would not understand what death was. He also cautioned that harbouring envy for the Elves’ immortality would breed hatred, which is what the Enemy would wish. He pauses in his speech when he notices that Andreth has broken down into tears.

Where are these other things? Wolverhampton, United Kingdom Home Page: Is the light of the flame, which otherwise you would never have seen, of no worth even now?

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He then bid her farewell. She declared that the Wise among Men say, “‘death was imposed upon us. Your Valar do not trouble us either with care finnrod with instruction. This they say also, or they feign, is a rumour that has come down through years uncounted, even from the days of our undoing.


Or the one that “blotted out” every living thing except Anrreth and his passengers, because he no longer was pleased with his creation? Wondering what books there are to read? In other languages Deutsch Suomi. It was written to exhibit “the generosity of Finrod’s mind, his love and pity for Andreth, and the tragic situations that must arise in the meetings of Elves and Men in andreeth ages of the youth of the Elves.